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horus Dark · Feb 27, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

hello all,

I played GW when factions just launched.
I made a Assasin/war and he is level 20.
Back then the assasin wasnt all that good (or i wasnt) and i quit.

now i recently returned to play.
What should i be doing at level 20?
is there any reason to pve at that level.
And the pvp part...why should i do pvp?
Do i get rewards / make my toon better?
If its just for rankings then /yawn...i wanna put efford in a toon and make it better.

Game has some nice potential but whats the end-game?

garethporlest18 · Feb 27, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

You are your best at level 20. If you have max armor and max daggers, you just can't really get better, other than how you use your skills and what skills you get.

End game for Guild Wars is Hard Mode. Getting elite armors, they're just for looks. Maxing titles. PvP, and no you don't get anything good from PvP besides titles. You can also buy all the dagger skins out there for no reason other than to clog your storage. There are also the elite areas. DoA for Nightfall. FoW and UW for all campaigns and Urgoz or The Deep for Factions.

If you don't find PvP fun, or one of those things I listed above fun, there is no other reason to be playing this game.

Operative 14 · Feb 27, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Finishing the PvE campaigns, getting cash, buying armor, rare weapons, moving into PvP, and overall becoming a better player through your experiences.

Then doing it again with a new character and proffession.

horus Dark · Feb 27, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47

sooo you just play for looks?
Somehow i am passed the period where i was dressing figurines for fun :P

garethporlest18 · Feb 27, 2008, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by horus Dark

sooo you just play for looks?
Somehow i am passed the period where i was dressing figurines for fun :P

Nope you play for fun, a lot of people find that fun though. I forgot to mention that if you have Eye of the North expansion you can do dungeons as well, for end game. But really you can't make your character any better stat wise.

WinterSnowblind · Feb 27, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

If you thought the aim of the game was to reach level 20, then you're playing the wrong game.

horus Dark · Feb 27, 2008, 02:56 PM // 14:56

I was asking whawt the aim of the game is...
Cause pvping just to get on a list is not worth my time.
If i could get rewards doing it...and with it enhance my character it would be intresting tho.
I thought this was a RPG and not a frag based game like quake.

I know i sound verry harsh...its not as bad as i make it sound but i get my point across better like this.
So sorry in advance

Mork from Ork · Feb 27, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by horus Dark

sooo you just play for looks?
Somehow i am passed the period where i was dressing figurines for fun :P

In a sense -

All you can play any computer game for is looks - computer games are, after all, simply pixels moving around on a screen. WoW, Diablo, whatever, all any of them are is appearances.

garethporlest18 · Feb 27, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by horus Dark

I was asking whawt the aim of the game is...
Cause pvping just to get on a list is not worth my time.
If i could get rewards doing it...and with it enhance my character it would be intresting tho.
I thought this was a RPG and not a frag based game like quake.

I know i sound verry harsh...its not as bad as i make it sound but i get my point across better like this.
So sorry in advance

No, no rewards in PvP to make your character better. Nothing in this game can make your character better, this game is all about equality.

quickmonty · Feb 27, 2008, 03:01 PM // 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by horus Dark

I was asking whawt the aim of the game is...

The aim of most games is to have fun.

Flem · Feb 27, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by horus Dark

I was asking whawt the aim of the game is...
Cause pvping just to get on a list is not worth my time.
If i could get rewards doing it...and with it enhance my character it would be intresting tho.
I thought this was a RPG and not a frag based game like quake.

I know i sound verry harsh...its not as bad as i make it sound but i get my point across better like this.
So sorry in advance

I honestly dont think GW is for you. Sounds like you want a game like WoW or EQ that req. extensive grinding to have better equipt. to be able to "pwn". In GW, it's all about the skills you use and how you use them.

4thVariety · Feb 27, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

End game is about improving YOUR ability to play the game. The monsters will still get bigger, but your toon's power is at its peak. Character growth is not about how much damage you can deal or take, but rather about how many skills can you collect and whether you can come up with good ways to build an eight slot skillbar from them.

CandyPrince · Feb 27, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by horus Dark

hello all,

I played GW when factions just launched.
I made a Assasin/war and he is level 20.
Back then the assasin wasnt all that good (or i wasnt) and i quit.

now i recently returned to play.
What should i be doing at level 20?
is there any reason to pve at that level.
And the pvp part...why should i do pvp?
Do i get rewards / make my toon better?
If its just for rankings then /yawn...i wanna put efford in a toon and make it better.

Game has some nice potential but whats the end-game?

The beauty of GW is that getting to level 20 is just the start. Sure its fun levelling up but if levelling up was all you are intrested in well play WOW for more levels.

Now completing all 3 games and the expansion pack gives you a wealth of different skill combos for both pve and pvp. If ya not sure cause you have just come back to game just jump on pvxwiki.com or here and try one of the pre-made builds or even better try ya own.

Achieving titles gives you a feeling of achievement, and demonstrates your mastery of certain sections of the game. I can only dream of coming back now and being able to both Vanquish, Elite Skill cap and map the area in one go achieving 3 titles at once! Jump on Guild wiki to see what you fancy pursuing.

If you are going to follow the titles path, I recommend elite skill capping. Not only do you gain experience, but you also gain much needed skills for you and heros but also the chance of perfect green drops!

Just an idea. Otherwise, go and grind on WOW

aapo · Feb 27, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by horus Dark

sooo you just play for looks?
Somehow i am passed the period where i was dressing figurines for fun :P

- With this post my faith in humanity received +1.

aapo · Feb 27, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mork from Ork

In a sense -

All you can play any computer game for is looks - computer games are, after all, simply pixels moving around on a screen. WoW, Diablo, whatever, all any of them are is appearances.

- Most games I've come across have been made to be played competitively and for fun. Competition is fun. Take soccer, chess, poker, monopoly - all of these are "PvP games" without even having to explicitly say it! There's new mongrel breed called "MMORPG" which makes players kill hundred thousand virtual boars to unlock features, which are about killing another hundred thousand different skinned boars. How pathetic can game design get?! If someone asked me what I do with my spare time, I'd rather admit drinking beer and gambling than being in a druglike state six hours a day killing virtual boars and thinking the titles I get represent my self-worth.

Olim Chill · Feb 27, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

The aim of most games is to have fun.

That's pretty much it. There are many things to do once you reach Level 20. Whether you think they're worth your time is another story.

Wirt · Feb 27, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Not intended to flame, cause I understand what you are talking about. But have you ever played a pick-up game of basketball or football or whatever with buddies at the park. What do you get as a reward, trophy? money? NBA contract? Na, you get nothing other than the feeling of winning and having fun.

Same as this game, you play to have fun, have a good time with guild buddies, and if in the meantime, you accumulate game $, why not spend the pretend $ on dressing up your doll (haha btw funny comment). What else are you gonna spend it on?

This is especially applicable to PvP. You get nothing other than Balthazar faction and the knowledge that you made someone, somewhere else in the world, rethink their build and feel a little bad. Same as a game of basketball with your friends.

[Rhiannon] · Feb 27, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapo

- Most games I've come across have been made to be played competitively and for fun. Competition is fun. Take soccer, chess, poker, monopoly - all of these are "PvP games" without even having to explicitly say it! There's new mongrel breed called "MMORPG" which makes players kill hundred thousand virtual boars to unlock features, which are about killing another hundred thousand different skinned boars. How pathetic can game design get?! If someone asked me what I do with my spare time, I'd rather admit drinking beer and gambling than being in a druglike state six hours a day killing virtual boars and thinking the titles I get represent my self-worth.

Actually, if you play any of those games you list on a PC, they can effectively be 'PvE' too. The competition you get is based on the intelligence of your opponent, artificial or otherwise. I'm sure some of the PvE encounters in Guild Wars are more challenging than a PvP encounter against 'Lolzorz teh Worrior'.

Edit: If you aren't talking PC, and mean playing those games for real, it's kind of a mute argument in an online gaming forum ...

Ultimately, people need to stop bickering over PvE versus PvP. I've seen it in every game of this ilk I've played. Guild Wars supports both, so take your pick. My guess is the people that enjoy both and don't feel the need to take an elitist stance on one or the other are the ones that get the most enjoyment from the game.

Wirt · Feb 27, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

The point of my post was in response to the OP, not a statment saying online gaming is equal in all aspects to physical activity. It was an analogy just stating you dont have to do something to get a reward/item etc, but you can do it just to have fun as a reason.

Aapo you even state in your prior post that those activities that you list (soccer) are played for competition and to have fun. Again the comparison is in reasons for doing something for fun, not saying online games are equal to anything else. In fact I'd say online gaming gives a person nearly nothing in terms of physical, social or spiritual improvement (more likely detrimental). In terms of Endorphin release, well that depends on what you are doing online, haha.

In terms of what you experience when you play, isnt necessarily what everyone experiences or how they play.

pamelf · Feb 27, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by horus Dark

sooo you just play for looks?
Somehow i am passed the period where i was dressing figurines for fun :P

Are you kidding? I treat my characters like Barbies for Adults!

Feb 27, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41	#1
horus Dark Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2008	end game hello all, I played GW when factions just launched. I made a Assasin/war and he is level 20. Back then the assasin wasnt all that good (or i wasnt) and i quit. now i recently returned to play. What should i be doing at level 20? is there any reason to pve at that level. And the pvp part...why should i do pvp? Do i get rewards / make my toon better? If its just for rankings then /yawn...i wanna put efford in a toon and make it better. Game has some nice potential but whats the end-game?

Feb 27, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44	#2
garethporlest18 Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: [HiDe] Profession: W/	You are your best at level 20. If you have max armor and max daggers, you just can't really get better, other than how you use your skills and what skills you get. End game for Guild Wars is Hard Mode. Getting elite armors, they're just for looks. Maxing titles. PvP, and no you don't get anything good from PvP besides titles. You can also buy all the dagger skins out there for no reason other than to clog your storage. There are also the elite areas. DoA for Nightfall. FoW and UW for all campaigns and Urgoz or The Deep for Factions. If you don't find PvP fun, or one of those things I listed above fun, there is no other reason to be playing this game.

Feb 27, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45	#3
Operative 14 Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Arizona, USA Guild: [OOP] Order of the Phoenix I	Finishing the PvE campaigns, getting cash, buying armor, rare weapons, moving into PvP, and overall becoming a better player through your experiences. Then doing it again with a new character and proffession.

Feb 27, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47	#4
horus Dark Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2008	sooo you just play for looks? Somehow i am passed the period where i was dressing figurines for fun :P

Feb 27, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51	#6
WinterSnowblind Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007	If you thought the aim of the game was to reach level 20, then you're playing the wrong game.

Feb 27, 2008, 02:56 PM // 14:56	#7
horus Dark Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2008	I was asking whawt the aim of the game is... Cause pvping just to get on a list is not worth my time. If i could get rewards doing it...and with it enhance my character it would be intresting tho. I thought this was a RPG and not a frag based game like quake. I know i sound verry harsh...its not as bad as i make it sound but i get my point across better like this. So sorry in advance

Feb 27, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17	#12
4thVariety Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: European Union Guild: ADL Profession: E/	End game is about improving YOUR ability to play the game. The monsters will still get bigger, but your toon's power is at its peak. Character growth is not about how much damage you can deal or take, but rather about how many skills can you collect and whether you can come up with good ways to build an eight slot skillbar from them.

Feb 27, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56	#17
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Not intended to flame, cause I understand what you are talking about. But have you ever played a pick-up game of basketball or football or whatever with buddies at the park. What do you get as a reward, trophy? money? NBA contract? Na, you get nothing other than the feeling of winning and having fun. Same as this game, you play to have fun, have a good time with guild buddies, and if in the meantime, you accumulate game $, why not spend the pretend $ on dressing up your doll (haha btw funny comment). What else are you gonna spend it on? This is especially applicable to PvP. You get nothing other than Balthazar faction and the knowledge that you made someone, somewhere else in the world, rethink their build and feel a little bad. Same as a game of basketball with your friends.

Feb 27, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58	#19
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	The point of my post was in response to the OP, not a statment saying online gaming is equal in all aspects to physical activity. It was an analogy just stating you dont have to do something to get a reward/item etc, but you can do it just to have fun as a reason. Aapo you even state in your prior post that those activities that you list (soccer) are played for competition and to have fun. Again the comparison is in reasons for doing something for fun, not saying online games are equal to anything else. In fact I'd say online gaming gives a person nearly nothing in terms of physical, social or spiritual improvement (more likely detrimental). In terms of Endorphin release, well that depends on what you are doing online, haha. In terms of what you experience when you play, isnt necessarily what everyone experiences or how they play.